Tuesday, September 27, 2005


I would like to turn this conversation once more to how one identifies themselves. If I ask a celibate his or her sexual orientation I expect them to say celibate not gay or heterosexual. St. Paul takes this a step further, saying that all of us should remember that we are Christ's and what we were before Christ was not who we really are...

The passage is well known and it deals with all of us not just one group:

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts,
nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

People who still identify themselves in one way perhaps haven't converted to Christianity (a problem that exists among Catholics who don't always see the connection between their faith and Jesus), no persectution---just truth in advertising as Amy said in her NY Times piece.

From Gay Men Ponder Impact of Proposal by Vatican - New York Times:

Gay priests say they are being scapegoated for crimes committed by pedophiles
and covered up by bishops who never faced any discipline. The interviews made
clear that they now had the strong sense of being persecuted by their own

'I feel like a Jew in Berlin in the 1930's,' said a 48-year-old
gay priest who has spent 18 years in a religious order. He said he was
considering donning a pink triangle - the symbol used by the Nazis - and getting
heterosexual priests and members of the laity to wear the triangles as a


  1. If I ask a celibate his or her sexual orientation I expect them to say celibate not gay or heterosexual.

    No, that's not right. If you have renounced the proper use of your sexuality for the good of the kingdom it doesn't make you a sexless being. Natural law, you know.

  2. Celibacy is all about the Kingdom...where they are neither given or taken in marriage...it is a supernatural calling...

    This orientation stuff is all about the fallen nature...I say this because I doubt there has been a time in history where people identified themselves primarily on what the sexual preference was...

  3. Father Benedict Groeschel has mentioned many times "gay" isn't even synonymous with homosexual orientation but rather denotes an appropriation of the gay subculture.

  4. What about the "gift" of celibacy? What is being missed here is that not everyone can be "celibate"

  5. Well, then, according to the enneagram, candidates should all be "5s" since they are naturally celibate types, hating to get personally involved, and at ease most when surrounded by books...librarian types, etc.


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