Friday, September 23, 2005

Guardian Unlimited | World Latest | Expected Vatican Ban Roils American Church

Father Benedict Groeschel often points out that to refer to oneself as "gay" is a further step beyond identifying oneself as a homosexual--to be gay is to be a part of subculture that in and of itself is oriented against what the Catholic Church teaches about sexuality. Herein I think lies the problem with even celibate "gays" being ordained or for that matter celibate "straights"...for someone who is celibate to be identifying themselves by their sexual orientation, is a pretty good indication that they face an uphill battle. A celibates shoulld be toward celibacy not toward having sex with men or women.

I have known genuine celibates who would not be married if they weren't priests or religious, neither would they be cavorting with other men. They are celibate...people who see themselves as sexually oriented are doomed to live a celibate vocation--faithfully anyways.

For what its worth...interesting that from a British paper this is seen as a problem for the Catholic Church in the U.S.

From Guardian Unlimited World Latest Expected Vatican Ban Roils American Church:

A gay American priest, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he feared
reprisals from church leaders, said he and other gay clergy and seminarians felt
``absolute horror'' when they heard about the anticipated ban.

``I've spoken to gay priests who feel demoralized. I've heard straight priests say that they're embarrassed by it. I've heard priests both straight and gay seriously
considering leaving,'' he said. ``They couldn't believe that after centuries of
either explicit or implicit welcoming of celibate gay clergy that the church
would turn its back on them.''


  1. Until we see the actual document what is the point of commenting on what the commenters think might be in the document?

  2. +JMJ+

    A person who is celibate is not a psychological eunuch. Often,
    a homosexual person does not have to be practicing homosexual sex to be identifiable as homosexual. To have a priest who is obviously effeminate, or a nun who is obviously unduly masculine makes people uncomfortable as much as if they were practicing homosexuals. To place a heterosexual man in the company of women in dormitories, etc. during seminary years of formation, would be overly tempting, and interfere with their focus on spirituality. This is the nature of human sexuality. This is why seminaries/monasteries were of one gender, not both! Celibacy does not castrate the mind and nature. A celibate priest/nun is not superman/woman - unaffected by attractive persons, any more than a married person, or single person who also must exhibit control over illicit affairs - control is necessary, but they would not do well to be in the constant company of attractive persons...! People who experience same-sex attraction should not be accepted into monastic orders/religious orders which will place them in the constant company with their own sex...this is too tempting. Imagine it the other way - a celibate heterosexual nun being in the constant company of nice, friendly religious men....or a celibate heterosexual priest being in the company of nice, friendly religious women...! Celibates are not DEAD!!! They have to control themselves - so it is not wise to place those with same sex attraction with their own sex for undue amounts of time, such as in the seminary/monasteries, etc., living in rectories, etc. And, as i mentioned - there is also the Example Set - to show obviously effeminate men as priests is a poor example of what a Christian is to be. Priests must pass certain health requirements - just as the sacrificial Lamb had to be perfect - you don't take someone with an abnormal sexual attraction and make them a priest. We love the sinner, hate the sin - but as Pope Benedict has said - to be a priest is not a "right" - it is a Calling. Priests are to be fit, and are to represent Christ. Same Sex Attraction does not qualify...even if the person is no longer "practicing".


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